50w Halogen Downlight Converter Mains - 3 Finishes

Is it possible to buy the outer ring only?
There are no spares available for this downlight.

Are these suitable for outdoor use please?
These are only IP20 and would not be recommended for outdoor use.

Is this oversized downlight fire rated? Is it compliant with current building regulation?
This is not fire rated. Product Ref: 41420 is one that is suitable.

will this fitting take a gu10 led lamp.
Yes, this will take a GU10 lamp. We actually have a kit Product Ref: 5172 which comes with an LED lamp included.

How does the Gu10 lamp fit in to the converter
It comes complete with a MR16 and GU10 lamp holder. Make sure you use the correct holder, twist the lamp in and it will keep in place with the clip.

Can I use a dimmable LED with this fitting?
Yes, this fitting is mains and can be used with a dimmable GU10 lamp.

Could you let me know which bulbs are suitable for use with mains option and also if they are dimmable?
These fittings come with a bulb as are sold as kits. The bulbs included halogen and are dimmable.

Have R80 eyeball downlighters with 130mm cutout - can these converters take an alternative GU10 eyeball lamp 240V
Yes, these fitting can use any lamp with a GU10 lamp base.

Can you use 5w led bulbs with these lights?
You can use LED lamps with this fixture, you will find at the bottom of this listing a version of the product that comes equipped with an LED lamp as standard.

Hello my ceiling lights need updating I have a cut out off 100mm diameter are these a good size for that also are these fire rated and do they need transformer?
These will fit in the cut out you have perfectly. These are not fire rated, and do not require a transformer. If you require a fire rated mains ( no transformer ) converter please search for Product Ref: 7222.

What is the minimum void space allowed for this type of unit.?
We would recommend at least 130mm void space.

Can these convertors be used outside in a covered porch?
These fixtures are made from pressed steel. How long the material remains untarnished will depend on the humidity and proximity to the sea. we would not describe this as a long term solution.

Does this fitting come with the both connectors ie low voltage and 240v?
Yes it does. So you can pick the lamp type that suits your needs.

When using the mains option can I fit a 240 volt GU10 LED lamp
Some LED lamps do not fit. But most do, however we do have separate listings for downlight converter kits with LED lamps.

Will these be as bright as the R80 they replace and will the light `spread` in a similar way so we don`t get `dark areas` in the kitchen?
This will depend on the wattage of your old R80`s, a 50W GU10 is considered quite adequate for most applications. As for the beam angle, these won`t offer the same spread of light as an R80, however the Low Voltage version is available with a 60° beam angle that would be very similar to an R80.

I need to replace 4 old downlighters that take r80 bulbs. They are currently on a dimmable switch. Can I leave the dimmer in place and do I need to fix transformers to each bulb?
You have asked this question on the page that lists the mains version of this oversize downlight. The mains version will be dimmable on your existing dimmer switch.

I have a downlights with holes 120mm in diameter. Are these lights self adjusting e.g. will they fit the hole without the need to do anything to resize the hole itself?
These fit holes from 70mm - 140mm without doing anything to the hole itself.

I have just purchased 9 converter 230v kits on the understanding that these were mains lights and did not need a transformer. The instruction say they need them, your page says they don`t.
Mains lamps do not require a transformer. Inside the blister packaging are two types of lamp holder - the smaller one is for use with 12v lamps the larger is for use with mains GZ/GU10 lamps. The instructions cover the use of the fixture with either type of lamp. Please read these or call us.

I have a set of 8 recessed downlights in my kitchen and I want to fit the larger converter kit. I am using transformers with the 12v lights, can i just connect the kit to the transformer and use the 12v lights?
We will answer two questions: If you have existing 12v lights: you can re-use the existing transformer to power a 12v downlight converter. Just simply wire from your existing transformer to the smaller lamp holder provided with the fixture and insert the lamp. If you have existing mains lights and want to use 12v fixtures: take the mains to a new transformer, connect the transformer output to the smaller lamp holder provided with the fixture and insert the lamp.

I have bought these lights and was also concerned about the lack of colour coding on the wires to differentiate between live and neutral and the connection I need to make to the existing wiring from my old ceiling lights - I'm using the mains version.
The GU10 mains halogen lamp has two pins on the base. The lamp can be inserted into fixtures either way round - there is no polarity. Therefore the wiring that goes to the fixture has no polarity.

All our other downlighter IP20 fire rated fittings are contained within a metal back canister. Does this fitting have the same?
No this fixture does not have an enclosure on the rear to make the fixture fire rated. This is simply not an option for these types of product - due to the varying diameter of he hole being covered. You can use a fire hood if you desire but you only need to use fire rated fixtures in a fire rated ceiling. See our section on fire rated lighting for more information.

Can I just please confirm my understanding that the KITCR80WM will fit directly into the mains wiring from the present old fashioned mains downlights without any further parts being required?
That is correct, Use your additional wiring and the mains GU10 lamp holder that comes in the pack.

Will these lights fit into a Victorian lathe and plaster ceiling with is thicker than the modern plaster board?
They will fit. You can not exceed 35w. We would recommend using the LED option as the lamps always have a cool running temperature.

I have bought these lights ref no CONVERTER230VKIT , but from the instructions i dont know which fitting is for mains? Also both wires coming from the fittings dont have different colours i.e Blue or brown, so how do you determine which is live and which is neutral?
In your blister pack there would have been a mains lampholder and a low voltage lampholder. For your mains kit you require the lampholder which has a white rounded end. You can just dispose of the low voltage lamp holder as it is not required. It does not matter which way round you wire the neutral and the mains on this particular downlight.

Is there a gap between the surround and the lamp ? We need a draft proof lamp as currently there is a gap between our existing tiltable lamp allowing cold air to blow down in the winter. I am presuming that if this light is not tiltable then it is a solid fitting
The lamp fits snug in the middle of the surround so there will be no gaps and certainly no draft will get through.

How do I know whether I need mains or 12v downlight converters for my kitchen? I`m looking to replace 4 old 6inch eyeball downlighters - they are just on the mains switch, with R80 bulbs.
This decision comes down to personal preference. It looks like your old downlights are mains operated which means they do not use a transformer (12v). The 12v converter kit is a better solution as there are many benefits to using a transformer however the mains kit will do the job perfectly fine and there will be less wiring involved. If you wish to call our technical team to discuss this further they will be happy to advise you.

I am told I need a mains 240v version. Is this light suitable?
Yes, this is a mains fixture.

Im needing to replace all my old downlights in my flat with a cut-out of 100mm and R80 bulbs. I know this would be suitable but should i stick to mains reflector lamps as its connected now or use a transformer low voltage lamp? Also i stay on the top floor of the complex i stay in so there is a ceiling void etc..how would this affect protection against fire?
The low voltage fixture with a 60 degrees lamp gives a light similar to a R80 lamp. The mains fixtures have a 30 degree blob of light. The 12 volt fixtures are also more efficient (by about 20%) and have a longer lamp life. But the mains fixtures are going to be easier to install. So it`s your call. As for fire protection... Fire compartment exist between dwellings. There`s nothing above you but to be sure take a look at the depth of plasterboard - half inch means no fire protection 25mm or more means 1 hour for protection.

We have a cut-out size of 175mm, is there anyway of converting this size??
The width of these fittings alone are 150mm, and are the largest downlights that we sell. There is no way of converting this.

Part of my ceiling is double thickness plasterboard (30mm). Would these units work to replace some old 140mm eyeball R80 downlighters?
We are pretty confident that the clips are long enough to accommodate double thickness plasterboard. Worse case you may need to bend them slightly with pair of pliers. Customer has ordered downlighters.

I read the question and answer in regards to using this fitting in the bathroom, as this is not suitable do you supply or know of a whole converter that is suitable for use in a bathroom?
This fitting can be used outside of zones 0, 1 and 2. For use in zone two we would suggest a larger bathroom fitting i.e. MFZM510484

Is this fitting suitable for bathroom use (particually zone 2)?
These fittings are only IP20, For bathroom zone 2 you need protection of at least 44.

My R80 mains downlights are installed in a single storey kitchen extension with a ventilated loft space above. Will these fittings do anything to reduce the icy blast coming in through the downlights in winter?
Yes these should reduce the amount of air coming into your room from the ventilated roof void. You`re likely to get very little air movement around the lamp unless there`s something in your house creating a partial vacuum i.e. a strong extractor fan. When my kitchen extractor is on full it`s difficult to close the kitchen door!

We have 4 of these to replace. Ideally I`d like to replace 3 with the above and one with a pendant light. I`ve seen on American sites a converter that allows you to do this. Why can I not find one of these in the UK? Is there a safety issue or something with this?
There`s no safety issue just a lack of interest. The USA adopted recessed lights many years before they became more common in the UK so the US aftersales market is bigger. That said we do have lights with larger ceiling plates (typically supporting 3 or 5 lights) contact us if you think these will be suitable.

Are these held in by a wire grip around the lamp bulb?
Yes the lamps are held by a wire grip.

Regarding this lamp, I have a cutout hole of 95-100mm. Will the spring clips that hold the light in still grill and work. Normally the spring clips work against the side/edge of the ceiling board.
The retaining sprung steel clips press down on the top of the ceiling board not around the edge of the hole. So they`ll work fine with in your existing locations.

We have holes that are 140mm wide for 7 existing R80 fittings and note that you have a slightly larger version of the downlighter converter. I would be most interested in seeing further details please.
The version that we supply as standard when you order this item now has a 150mm bezel and is suitable for covering holes up to 140mm in diameter.

How do I find out if I need to have fire-rated lighting? I need to replace my old style eyeball downlights that are in my lounge are obviously fitted between floors.
So long as the floor above is not a separate residence (i.e. flats) then 99% of the time fire rated fittings are not required according to IEEE regulations 2005. However many local authorities and electricians misinterpret the rules. Check with your local council building inspectors for more information with regards their stance, because ultimately you have to do what they say.

Do you need transformer with these lights?
This listing is for a mains voltage version of our recessed downlight converter and so does not require a transformer.